Johnson / Bryans Families

Tracing the ancestry of Pamela Murdoch Bryans and Maurice Alan Johnson

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Charles Liddell

Mariner
Male Abt 1701 - 1780  (~ 79 years)

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  • Name Charles Liddell 
    Relationshipwith Marion Murdoch Johnson
    Gender Male 
    Birth Abt 1701 
    Baptism 10 Nov 1701  Gateshead, Northumberland, England Find all individuals with events at this location  [1] 
    Occupation Mariner 
    Death 15 Nov 1780  [2] 
    Burial 17 Nov 1780  Tynemouth, Northumberland, England, Kingdom of Great Britain Find all individuals with events at this location  [3] 
    Last Modified 28 Nov 2021 

    Father Samuel Liddell
              b. Abt 1670 
    Mother Ruth Atkinson
              b. Abt 1675 
    Marriage 20 May 1697  St Mary, Gateshead, Northumberland, England Find all individuals with events at this location  [4] 

    Wife Joan Welford
              b. 1702  
              d. Feb 1783 (Age 81 years) 
    Marriage 26 Nov 1728  St Mary, Gateshead, Northumberland, England, Kingdom of Great Britain Find all individuals with events at this location  [5] 
    • The names and location match, but I don't know for certain that this is the right couple.
    Age at Marriage Charles was ~ 27 years old - Joan was ~ 26 years old. 
    Children 
     1. Ruth Liddell
              b. 11 Jul 1735  
              bur. 3 Apr 1818, Havant, Hampshire, England, United Kingdom Find all individuals with events at this location (Age ~ 82 years)
    Last Modified 11 Dec 2019 

  • Notes 
    • Early Life
      Charles Liddell was born c. November 1701 and baptised on the 10th of November 1701, at Gateshead, County Durham, son of Samuel Liddle and Ruth Atkinson1.

      Career
      A 1750 document at the National Archives indicates that Charles was a mariner. This is confirmed again in 1755. The Register of Freemen of Newcastle upon Tyne1 lists Charles as a son of Samuel Liddle, 'master mariner', having been made a freeman on the 15th of January 1721 (when he was about 19). A link with the sea also explains why Charles' daughter Ruth married a Royal Navy surgeon from Somerset.

      Family Life
      It appears that Charles and Joan had:
      1. Mary, b. 1729
      2. Samuel, b. 1731
      3. Margaret, b. 1734
      4. Ruth, b. 1735 and who married John Bullen of Somerset


      Death
      The date of death of 15th November 1779 comes from D_Unknown_Bullen but I haven't found a matching burial record. The closest I get is 17th November 1780 for Charles "Liddle", of Lowlights, buried at Tynemouth. I think these must be the same person and that the date of 1779 is an error.

      Footnotes
      [1] We arrive at Charles' parents as follows:
      a) He must have been born c. 1700 given his marriage to Joan in 1728
      b) There is a baptismal record for a Charles Liddle on 10 Nov 1701, at Gateshead, son of Samuel Liddle
      c) There is a marriage record for a Samuel Liddle and a Ruth Atkinson, date 20 May 1697, at St Mary in Gatehead
      d) Charles called his daughter Ruth
      e) The Royal Naval Biography of Charles Bullen (grandson of Charles Liddle) mentions that his mother Ruth, the daughter of Charles of this page, was a second cousin of Lord Eldon (John Scot)
      f) John Scot's parents were William Scot and Jane Atkinson, daughter of Henry Atkinson
      g) If Henry Atkinson was the brother of Ruth Atkinson (the proposed mother of Charles Liddle of this page) then that would make Ruth Liddle and Lord Eldon second cousins, as claimed
      h) Charles' daughter Ruth married John Bullen, of the Royal Navy; Charles himself, and his father, were mariners
      i) All this being said, note that online trees suggest Charles' father was also called Charles, but I can find no records to back this up.
      [2] The Register of Freemen of Newcastle upon Tyne, Newcastle (1926); page 42

  • Event Map
    Link to Google MapsBaptism - 10 Nov 1701 - Gateshead, Northumberland, England Link to Google Earth
    Link to Google MapsMarriage - 26 Nov 1728 - St Mary, Gateshead, Northumberland, England, Kingdom of Great Britain Link to Google Earth
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  • Sources 
    1. [S0342] FindMyPast, England Births & Baptisms 1538-1975, (findmypast.co.uk), 10 Nov 1701, Charles Liddle [sic].

    2. [S0277] Unknown, Bullen Pedigree, (Family Archive; D_Unknown_Bullen) (Reliability: 1).

    3. [S0538] FindMyPast, Northumberland Burials, (findmypast.co.uk), 17 Nov 1780, Charles Liddle [sic]; Ref DDR/EA/PBT/2/255.

    4. [S0539] FindMyPast, Durham Marriages, (findmypast.co.uk), 20 May 1697, Liddell / Atkinson; Gateshead St Mary.

    5. [S0306] FindMyPast, Northumberland and Durham Marriages, (findmypast.co.uk), 26 Nov 1728, Charles Liddell; (Reliability: 1).